Tribe.net. Local Connections Neurite http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#cf8186fb-8033-47c5-96f0-79d524d29381 2007-10-26T16:51:27Z 2007-10-26T16:51:27Z

Bottom line, even if there are small amounts of B12 in plant matter, humans (not having the digestive systems of cows and other herbivores) cannot absorb it. Alas, we are not true herbivores - which can already be seen by the fact that, unlike cows, we cannot digest cellulose and get nutrition from, say, grass. I understand that some people choose to live without any animal products, but they still need to accept the limitations of the human digestive system or risk severe nutritional deficiencies. So, if you're a strict vegan, please take a B-12 supplement. I understand about not wanting to get anything made from meat or dairy or eggs, but there are supplements made from bacteria or yeasts; hopefully those are more ethically acceptable. Such supplements are also better than unenriched brewer's yeast or miso or tempeh or other foods that *can* contain B12 (due to contained yeasts or fungi), because in those foods B12 *can* occur, but it doesn't always and amounts can vary a lot. A supplement, or B12-enriched foods, are safer because someone actually makes *sure* there's B12 on board. (I drink a B12-enriched vanilla soy milk that is very yummy!) Also, for the original poster, I second the recommendations to get some bloodwork done to see what you're really lacking. You may have an iron deficiency, or lack other B vitamins, or such. Better to be sure!

Neurite 2007-10-26T16:51:27Z C'est http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#71b8d14a-1d8e-473e-a4b5-692e5e84e604 2007-10-19T16:13:02Z 2007-10-19T16:13:02Z

Your comment intrigued me so I went hunting around the web for more info. While what you say is true, I am not sure that the B12 that exists in plant matter is accessible much to our digestive tracts. .... Here's a quote and a link. "Very small amounts of vitamin B12 have been found in plants grown in soil treated with manure (9). It is not clear whether this vitamin B12 is the active form or the inactive analogue. In any case, the amounts are so small that more than 23 cups of organically grown spinach would have to be eaten every day in order to meet the adult RDA for vitamin B12 (9,10)." http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm

C'est 2007-10-19T16:13:02Z Chris http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#dc9edd87-36b9-40a8-b6a3-f6f2ea82c529 2007-10-18T02:51:52Z 2007-10-18T02:50:35Z

B-12 is found in organic plant matter, don't let anyone fool you. How do you think it ends up in animal products? From their sources of food.

Chris 2007-10-18T02:50:35Z NOok http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#9b71745c-bfd3-4db8-a3d8-97cb5690f275 2007-10-15T22:45:01Z 2007-10-15T22:45:01Z

$.02 : Check with a DR, get a blood test to make sure that's really the problem?

NOok 2007-10-15T22:45:01Z $item.owner.firstName http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#d61b7a58-21f7-4854-86c3-bdab162292dc 2007-10-14T22:28:16Z 2007-10-14T22:28:16Z

An important think to keep in mind with B12 is that it only absorbs in a certain part of the digestive track and if conditions are not -just so-, the absorption is interrupted. There is also a catch22 involved: if you don't get enough B12, this part of the system stops working right. So, if the high B12 foods don't help, you may want to reach for a sublingual form of B12: just skip the digestive track. This is what I had to do. I get at at Trader Joe's. It's tasty, and dissolves fast: perfect for us lazy folks!

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-14T22:28:16Z simple songs http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#9b2695e3-786e-4225-9522-e11c59af0036 2007-10-02T16:34:40Z 2007-10-02T16:34:40Z

I just take a sublingual B12 supplement everyday.

simple songs 2007-10-02T16:34:40Z Nurse Lisa http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#65e29d93-5521-4058-b312-b6d936bd7d5e 2007-10-02T14:56:04Z 2007-10-02T14:56:04Z

Oh, nevermind....I was thinking of vegetarian sources, which can include dairy products. But you are right, veggies don't have b12. Gah, its early.

Nurse Lisa 2007-10-02T14:56:04Z Nurse Lisa http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#830d3ab5-0609-4238-ad3e-4db38a0611d0 2007-10-02T14:46:22Z 2007-10-02T14:46:22Z

Ummm, yeah okay, whatever. Where did you get your ridiculously untrue information, Dustin?

Nurse Lisa 2007-10-02T14:46:22Z Elaine~ http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#446e0580-eae3-4e67-8d48-c33751a1fbd0 2007-10-02T06:29:10Z 2007-10-02T06:29:10Z

Sushi!

Elaine~ 2007-10-02T06:29:10Z Dustin (El Guano) http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#990c1ea2-f4d6-4bb1-ad35-b2b1758d8eff 2007-10-02T03:47:57Z 2007-10-02T03:47:57Z

b12 from veg sources are unusable by the human body

Dustin (El Guano) 2007-10-02T03:47:57Z $item.owner.firstName http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#f9929e10-af0c-47b5-87c4-1443324570fa 2007-10-02T03:23:25Z 2007-10-02T03:23:25Z

apperently mollusks are good, now don't those sound yummy? a nice big bowl of mollusks..... seared tuna beef tenderloin buffalo tenderloin salmon, wild and fresh dairy products.... ntohign complicated and if you have to microwave I wouldn't reccomend it. (:

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-02T03:23:25Z simple songs http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#96f35bbf-1482-4ea1-bfed-ee2f534e45d8 2007-10-02T03:09:43Z 2007-10-02T03:09:43Z

I read that spirulina has B12. I put it in smoothies.

simple songs 2007-10-02T03:09:43Z Shanti http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#5d3f926a-e0c0-459a-9b0a-70ddf2cba617 2007-10-01T04:28:51Z 2007-10-01T04:28:51Z

raw colostrum kephir by Organic Pastures.

Shanti 2007-10-01T04:28:51Z Jewel http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#f7aae447-7e20-43ad-8269-9db22204f6d9 2007-09-26T07:55:54Z 2007-09-26T07:55:54Z

I suggest kefir. It covers both protein and B12, and the live beneficial bacteria in it help boost your immune system. Plus it's yummy! I like to add peanut butter to it, but p[lain is also good, and there are sweetened varieties if you like it that way. It's at most health food stores, and also Trader Joe's (in LA anyway...)

Jewel 2007-09-26T07:55:54Z Dolly http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#edadb5da-c0b1-4121-8bff-633381f20588 2007-09-26T03:16:18Z 2007-09-26T03:16:18Z

Thank you so much Kelly for asking about this. I have the same problem and recently was hospitalized because my B-12 was so low. I see now, from the responses here, how I got that low, and what I need to do to keep healthy. I have been really feeling dizzy and faint lots of times after working out at the gym. This is really going to be challenging to me since I am working hard to loss weight too. Thank you to everyone for the information.

Dolly 2007-09-26T03:16:18Z Nurse Lisa http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#db56aaae-9426-4ceb-95e9-9bf14833b444 2007-09-25T19:09:06Z 2007-09-25T19:09:06Z

Guiness really *is* good for you!!!

Nurse Lisa 2007-09-25T19:09:06Z Tri http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#11d76dc3-1fca-4c8b-b53b-ad86fe0ca37f 2007-09-25T18:44:26Z 2007-09-25T18:44:26Z

Unfiltered beer has lots of B12. :D

Tri 2007-09-25T18:44:26Z Stephanie http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#03043368-b07b-465e-a9cf-41ba1b086c44 2007-09-25T18:24:05Z 2007-09-25T18:24:05Z

I was "diagnosed" with the same condition a few years ago and a lack of B12 is not the only culprit! You need to increase your protein intake (especially in the morning) and decrease your sugar intake. If you'll be eating anything with sugar, even natural sugar found in fruit, it's a good idea to match with some protein. Example: Eat some seeds with an apple, instead of just an apple. Refined foods generally have a low glycemic index and you'll want to be aware of your intake of those as well: think white flurs and sugars, caffeine, etc. These foods cause your glucose levels to spike and drop creating dizziness, shakes and an urgency to eat. When this happens you need protein to stabilize combined with a natural sugar to bring you back fast. Don't excersise on an empty stomach, or pu yourself in situations where you won't have access to food for long periods of time. Carry an energy bar, or some trail mix with dried fruit or whatever with you all the time, at least in the beginning of your "treatment" and eat it as soon as the symptoms start. Chromium is a supplement that, combined with a good diet, will really help hypoglycemia clear up. I barley deal with it anymore. Disclaimer: I'm not an expert, this is just stuff I have learned over the years from books, my naturopath and own experience! Bonne chance!

Stephanie 2007-09-25T18:24:05Z Melissae http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#81aa9aa2-0195-4608-ac72-78d3c37a22ac 2007-09-25T13:06:59Z 2007-09-25T13:06:59Z

Nutritional Yeast is an awesome form of protein and vitamins, especially the B-complex vitamins. Some brands are fortified with B12, though I'm not sure which ones. It has a nutty, cheesy, creamy flavor and sold in a flaky form that you can sprinkle on just about anything. I buy mine at a local health food store or my co-op. My kids love it on pasta, popcorn, pizza, veggies...

Melissae 2007-09-25T13:06:59Z julia rose http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#56fbe2e9-fee7-45ff-9734-d3f6c10305b5 2007-09-22T18:11:28Z 2007-09-22T18:11:28Z

the largest amounts of B12 are found in brewers yeast, clams, eggs, herring, kidney, mackerel, milk and dairy products, and seafood. It is not really found in vegetables. so you should be fine if you eat fish a few times a week, and incorporate eggs for breakfast. If you are a strict vegetarian you should take a B12 supplement. If you take anti-gou meds, anti-coagulant drugs, or potasium supplements, these things block apsorbsion and you can get a supplement that dissolves under you tongue. hope this helps!

julia rose 2007-09-22T18:11:28Z Kelly http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/31f6b40a-3d02-46a3-9c63-a0ed71e7786d#77eb789a-574e-461b-b8ad-5484c79a5301 2007-09-22T15:31:19Z 2007-09-22T15:31:19Z

I have recently discovered from a nurse (informall) that I may be anemic or hypoglycemic. The sign is that I get woosy and dizzy when I do any kind of physical activity. The nurse told me it's because I don't have enough vitamin B12 in my diet. Could anyone tell me some recipes or ways I can incorporate lots of this vitamin into my diet?

Kelly 2007-09-22T15:31:19Z