For the carnivores - this is a technical question, not a moral debate about meat ;-)
I don't like the msg powder sold in stores. What's the right liquids to tenderize beef or pork? Soy, vinegar, fruit juice?
I don't like the msg powder sold in stores. What's the right liquids to tenderize beef or pork? Soy, vinegar, fruit juice?
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 12:54 PManything that is an acid with tenderize
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:05 PM>>anything that is an acid <<
YUP! My fave is soy sauce with garlic, lemongrass, brown sugar, and chili or black pepper. Balsalmic vinegar works nicely with chicken and steaks (you can use the extra balsalmic form the marinade to make a reduction sauce - you cook it enough for the raw meat juices to cook out). Pineapples juice works wonders as well. I also like fish sauce and curry paste. -
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 6:38 AMI second on the soy sauce, little bit of sugar and garlic (well, in Holland we have a kind of soy sauce that is already sweetened, it's called Ketjap Manis!). Instead of an acid, I always like to add onions. The acidity of the onions combined with some kind of fluid works incredibly well.
Also, I like to use wine in my marinades. -
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Thu, May 15, 2008 - 7:59 AM>>in Holland we have a kind of soy sauce that is already sweetened, it's called Ketjap Manis<<
In the US you can buy the Indonesian "sweet soy sauce" as well. It's a great short cut and I use it often if I don't need just soy sauce. :) Here's the kind I buy: www.asiaexpressfood.nl/upload...631.jpg I left a bottle at my parents house (we made Pad See Ew for them during a visit) and my mom uses it now for Vietnamese recipes that call for soy sauce and brown sugar.
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 7:28 AMI like that this sounds like "ketchup mayonaisse" in my my and I really like that it has nothing at all to do with ketcup/mayonnaise!
What else do they do in Holland (I love insider international food tips!
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:00 PMTomatoes work nicely, if you don't mind the tomato flavor. (Really good in pot roasts.)
anything else acidic, choose your flavor. -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:04 PMIs wine acidic? Suggestions? I need new tricks! -
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:06 PMYes, wine works as well with beef and lamb.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:10 PMI like white wine with chicken.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:38 PMI have marinated steaks in beer-- for the grill. It worked pretty well and was suprizingly tasty. -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:47 PMOoooo... yeah, beer! I like boiling brats in beer then putting the grill to firm up the outside. Cuts the grilling time to a fraction and the sausages stays juicy. -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 2:19 PMI like white wine vinegar with garlic and lime. mmmmmm
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 3:20 PMnummy...beer brats. I'm hungry now.
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:22 PMa really good marinade for Tri Tip is
I can/bottle of beer
1 cup of Soy sauce
8-10 cloves of Garlic Smashed
Put it all in a Zip top bag let sit in the frige 4-6 hours and throw that puppy on the grill, it comes out almost sweet and smokey -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:05 PMI like red wine, garlic and rosemary on red meat. Many years ago I had excellent lambshanks marinated in pomegranate molasses (middle eastern store) and loads of garlic. It was divine.
Then there is a german speciality named Sauerbraten... don't get me started. I just came back from Europe where I couch surfed for two months and ate, drank and smoked everything that was offered to me, and had a fabulous time. -
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:28 PMJack Daniels makes and incredibly good soaking marinade. no kidding.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:35 PMI second the beer / soy sauce recipe. I homebrew and adding a bottle of good beer to some meat is oooh so good. -
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 2:33 PMPapaya with lime and achote -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:59 PMAh, nice, fruits....thank you all, more, please! -
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:17 PMThere are tons of Oil based salad dressings that are great for marinating. Ones that have wine, citrus, or garlic are great. I personally don't like Mangos and don't do well with Ginger but I've heard those are pretty good too. Same with HOT stuff. Cream based dressing aren't so good.
Also, we like to use this stuff called Kitchen Bouquet which is a veggie and sodium based sauce/marinade enhancer. There is no MSG (I react very badly to MSG) and 1 tsp goes a long way to enhance almost any marinade. -
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Thu, May 15, 2008 - 6:30 PMBut do the oils tenderize the meat? That's really the entire point, to tenderize. I didn't think soy sauce and the other salty things were doing a very good job.
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 7:58 AM>>There are tons of Oil based salad dressings that are great for marinating.<<
It's my guess that these work well for marinating because they are vinegar based. As far as I know any dressing that has oil has vinegar and it's the vinegar that's doing the tenderizing, although the oil does it's job too - it helps lessen the meat from sticking to the pan/grill during cooking. -
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 8:48 PMwell in addition to the vinegar in the dressing... the acids in the citrus, wine, garlic, ginger, mangos, etc also help to get in and do some tenderizing to the meat.
what we do usually with chicken (occasionally steaks also) is take some thawed pieces, poke them really well with a fork (this makes a big difference) and then pour in enough marinade to just cover. If it is breast meat which is usually pretty thick then about half way covered and then slosh around, turn it over, and get it really well coverd. If you marinade in the morning before you head out then it's got a good 8 hours or so when you get home to have the juices really get in there.
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 10:02 AMI agree its the vinegar in these that does the tenderizing part....
simple recipe, marinate some cut up pork in an italian vinegarette , then saute in oil, you'll have something pretty close to Filipino adobo. Not excatly, but really yummy.
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 7:57 AMI just made this last night - really good! I had some orangess that were getting old and some pork chops I wanted to make for lunch so I searched for those 2 ingredients in allrecipes and got this: allrecipes.com/Recipe/Tas...Detail.aspx
I don't measure so I looked at the ingredients, looked at the proportions and mixed accordingly, tasting along the way. -
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 9:21 AMI guess I have to start remembering to marinate the night before. -
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 9:24 AMI still get good results with just an hour or two. That's all I had time for last night.
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 11:01 AMIt's totally not healthy, but i've had sucess with soda-pop (an accident that turned out great) and kool-aide. (thogh i'd be the first to admit that pairing can be a challenge with this one)
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Fri, May 30, 2008 - 9:29 PMCoca-cola is supposed to make a good marinade. -
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Re: Marinating to tenderize meat
Sat, May 31, 2008 - 3:06 PM
yeah - soda works - a good one is Dr. Pepper with Tequila. also yogurt tenderizes meat as well. -
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Sat, May 31, 2008 - 10:01 PMThe best roasted ham I ever tasted was a "local specialty" where a guy would roast most of a hog and just open it every hour and pour on some Pepsi.
Sounds odd, and really horribly, horribly unhealthy... but oh SO tasty.
(For the Talk Soup lovers, So Meaty)
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