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  <title>Locally grown? - Healthy Food for Lazy People - tribe.net</title>
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    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Katrina</name>
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    <updated>2009-06-19T05:13:35Z</updated>
    <published>2009-06-19T05:13:35Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Not a matter of opposition at all Chris, just a fact that not many people know. Besides, I don't rock hamburger either way, think it's pretty gross.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-06-19T05:13:35Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Survivor</name>
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    <updated>2009-06-17T21:54:22Z</updated>
    <published>2009-06-17T21:54:22Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Pacifica, it was actually on I-5 that I saw the carrot truck.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Survivor</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-06-17T21:54:22Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>chris</name>
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    <updated>2009-06-17T18:06:31Z</updated>
    <published>2009-06-17T18:06:31Z</published>
    <summary type="html">If you are not opposed to eating hamburger meat meat in general, why would you be opposed if it comes from a "dairy" cow?</summary>
    <dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-06-17T18:06:31Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Katrina</name>
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    <updated>2009-06-17T16:09:18Z</updated>
    <published>2009-06-17T16:09:18Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Duck! YES!!! We are looking into buying our meat locally right now as to not support mass marketed and produced meat. 80% of the hamburger in grocery stores comes from used up dairy cows once they're no longer able to be used. And you wouldn't want to eat that meat. Back on track though, I think it does apply to meat as well. (and eggs) There are tons of sustainable local farms that people can get their meat and eggs from, and many of the places aren't much more expensive!</summary>
    <dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-06-17T16:09:18Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Katrina</name>
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    <updated>2009-06-17T16:05:15Z</updated>
    <published>2009-06-17T16:05:15Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Sooooz,&#xD;
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I have eaten parts of the peel of Mango, sometimes accidentally. I can't help but think that all that spray also seeps into the ground from which the fruit grows and isn't just on the exterior of the plant but actually in it's molecules.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-06-17T16:05:15Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Katrina</name>
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    <updated>2009-06-17T16:02:44Z</updated>
    <published>2009-06-17T16:02:44Z</published>
    <summary type="html">She also mentioned the bit about wax covered fruits and veggies to disguise that the produce is under ripe. And some fruits and vegetables ARE healthier for you when riper then under ripe. The sugars undergo chemical processes that can also help you absorb the vitamins and nutrients better.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-06-17T16:02:44Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>yadda yadda</name>
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    <updated>2009-06-17T16:00:34Z</updated>
    <published>2009-06-17T16:00:34Z</published>
    <summary type="html">ewwww, I really need to get some chickens.</summary>
    <dc:creator>yadda yadda</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-06-17T16:00:34Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Pacifica Funkster</name>
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    <updated>2009-06-17T14:19:19Z</updated>
    <published>2009-06-17T14:19:19Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&gt;I can't get the image out of my head of a truck I saw transporting carrots for commercial sale. It was a huge truck, open at the top, so that smog, bugs, chemicals, whatever the truck passed through, got in the carrots. Also, the truck top being open, I can't imagine that those carrots had much vitality left to them when they finally arrived in produce departments of stores. &#xD;
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Um, this is pretty much how most commercial vegetables are transported.  Guess you've never driven up the 5 in California...  &#xD;
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&gt;Out of area eggs can sit in the storage area of a store for as long as 6 months.&#xD;
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Egg cartons with the USDA grademark must display a “Julian date”*, the date the eggs were packed. Although not required, they may also carry an expiration date beyond which the eggs should not be sold, but are still safe to eat. On cartons with the USDA grademark, this date can not exceed 30 days after the eggs were packed in the carton.  Depending on the retailer, the expiration date may be less than 30 days. Eggs packed in cartons without the USDA grademark are governed by the laws of their states.   http://www.eggsafety.org/f_a_q.htm</summary>
    <dc:creator>Pacifica Funkster</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-06-17T14:19:19Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Survivor</name>
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    <updated>2009-06-17T01:21:18Z</updated>
    <published>2009-06-17T01:21:18Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I can't get the image out of my head of a truck I saw transporting carrots for commercial sale. It was a huge truck, open at the top, so that smog, bugs, chemicals, whatever the truck passed through, got in the carrots. Also, the truck top being open, I can't imagine that those carrots had much vitality left to them when they finally arrived in produce departments of stores.&#xD;
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I do buy local milk, eggs, meat, chicken, etc. I think it matters especially with eggs. Out of area eggs can sit in the storage area of a store for as long as 6 months. Yuck. Bought, locally, stores don't need to stock up so much, and eggs are much fresher.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Survivor</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-06-17T01:21:18Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>yadda yadda</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-28T02:15:03Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-28T02:15:03Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I'm not sure pesticides completely wash off.  I know I can still taste it on the top parts of carrots no matter how much I wash.</summary>
    <dc:creator>yadda yadda</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-28T02:15:03Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Soooz: biker/priestess</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-28T00:40:39Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-28T00:40:39Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&amp;amp;lt;Those mangos from Mexico are sprayed with pesticides (per USDA) and sometimes you can taste the bug spray on them. &gt;&#xD;
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You're eating the peel of a mango?? You aren't washing your fruit &amp;amp; vegetables no matter where they came from? Even organics have dirt on them sometimes. Sheesh......</summary>
    <dc:creator>Soooz: biker/priestess</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-28T00:40:39Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Karen</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-27T21:51:06Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-27T21:51:06Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I totally agree. I also buy heirloom tomatoes and fresh berries  and other fruits when in season. The smells are incredible! You can smell the sugars in them and they're so sweet.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-27T21:51:06Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>DuckAmuck</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-27T21:49:28Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-27T21:49:28Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I live in cow country.&#xD;
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It's just that I've always heard "buy local" for health applied to vegetables and fruits. I've never heard anyone say that buying local meats is especially healthy. So, I was wondering if "buy local" applies to meat, dairy and eggs.&#xD;
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I used to work at the meat market that stock most of the grocery stores around here. I realized, then why go to the grocery store when I could get it from the same source with less traveling? Plus, the grocery chain cut the meat down and marked up the price, too…</summary>
    <dc:creator>DuckAmuck</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-27T21:49:28Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Karen</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-27T21:47:48Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-27T21:47:48Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I get fresh local meat at my farmers market too. Most of it is either humane or organic or both.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-27T21:47:48Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Tri</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-27T15:40:59Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-27T15:40:59Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I buy local meats as well.  I'm guessing you don't live somewhere that offers that option?  We also buy organic meat when possible, which is MUCH healthier for you (no added hormones).</summary>
    <dc:creator>Tri</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-27T15:40:59Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Audrey  ♥</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-27T15:39:11Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-27T15:39:11Z</published>
    <summary type="html">The problem with not by locally grown is that the large scale chemical agriculture is poisoning our soils and our water, and weakening our communities. Most of their stuff is modified by chemicals or treated seeds.&#xD;
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By buying direct from a family farm you can help put a stop to this unfortunate trend. Organic farmers typically grow untainted seeds and some heirloom varieties hard to come by anymore.   Ever had an heirloom tomato?   Amazing in flavor and many more nutrients.   By buying organic produce from your local farmer, you are working to maintain a healthy environment, a vibrant community, and a strong and sustainable local economy</summary>
    <dc:creator>Audrey  ♥</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-27T15:39:11Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>redhotred</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-27T15:19:02Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-27T15:19:02Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I can get grass-fed beef, pork and poultry at our local farmers markets here in Texas.  I buy milk and cheeses directly from a farm and eggs from my next door neighbor. I know where my food was produced and I know the people who were involved.</summary>
    <dc:creator>redhotred</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-27T15:19:02Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
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    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>yadda yadda</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-27T02:06:29Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-27T02:06:29Z</published>
    <summary type="html">We've cut back on eating meat.  We're not going vegetarian it's just that the meat from our area grocery stores is naaaasty.  I looked on a website called Local Harvest and found a ranch not too far from us that sells direct to the consumer.   I'm hoping one of my neighbors will split an order with me.&#xD;
Pretty soon it'll be time for the little farmers to start selling on the roadside.  Yay for fresh cantaloupe.</summary>
    <dc:creator>yadda yadda</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-27T02:06:29Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>DuckAmuck</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-26T21:51:52Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-26T21:51:52Z</published>
    <summary type="html">OK… to monkey up the works just a bit more…&#xD;
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Then wouldn't "buy local" apply to meats and dairies and eggs as well?&#xD;
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Seriously, I've never heard anyone specify to buy local meats, but wouldn't that be the same? Fresher meats = better meat. (not 2-3 days old)&#xD;
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I used to work in a meat market… I can which stores sell fresh meats and which ones buy and repackage meats from other stores.</summary>
    <dc:creator>DuckAmuck</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-26T21:51:52Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>yadda yadda</name>
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    <updated>2009-05-23T00:02:22Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-23T00:02:22Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Yay Elaine!  I'm so glad to read that.  Our groceries here don't make any attempt to buy local, but I'm hoping the idea will catch on.</summary>
    <dc:creator>yadda yadda</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-23T00:02:22Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Elaine~</name>
    </author>
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    <updated>2009-05-22T23:38:54Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-22T23:38:54Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I work in a produce department in a grocery store.&#xD;
We try really hard to buy as local as we can.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Elaine~</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-22T23:38:54Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
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    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Lisa</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#e6b629b4-60bd-40be-b36a-b33202911d45</id>
    <updated>2009-05-22T19:25:05Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-22T19:25:05Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Locally grown usually means the freshest harvest and a fresher harvest means that you will get the most nutrients out of the food that you eat..</summary>
    <dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-22T19:25:05Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>*FD*</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#2bba7b5a-2ed8-43e4-87ea-94e7c0359eaf</id>
    <updated>2009-05-22T14:57:45Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-22T14:57:45Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Good discussion. I wanted to add something that hasn't really been touched on...The other day I read about a guy that is growing his own food in an urban area. He decided to test the soil, only to discover his soil was saturated with lead and the all the produce he was growing was toxic and deadly.  &#xD;
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So, I think you are making a valid point Duck...&#xD;
But to reiterate something that was already said, local doesn't mean the next street over necessarily. Local can just mean within your county, your state, or even region. My "local" boundaries tend to fluctuate with the season, whereas my step-mom lives in Ventura County, California and subsists on the "100-mile diet". The localvore group she belongs to "allows" only 2 non-local items on the shopping list. She chose Almonds and rice (I think).</summary>
    <dc:creator>*FD*</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-22T14:57:45Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#adf7df10-2ff6-47ca-b4e8-93d3fb8cec8f" />
    <author>
      <name>David</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#adf7df10-2ff6-47ca-b4e8-93d3fb8cec8f</id>
    <updated>2009-05-22T00:00:11Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-22T00:00:11Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Not only does it cost and pollute more to bring it from half away around the world, but they also most often use chemicals and sprays banned from the US and some other countries.  But how much more pollution it causes???&#xD;
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The problem is not buying food and things from far away. The problem is the companies which limit technology and the building of alternative fuels and cars and planes, so they can keep making money. with their products; greed and power control are the problem.</summary>
    <dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-22T00:00:11Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#698991e0-9c09-4fac-a429-bf62d5b76bea" />
    <author>
      <name>David</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#698991e0-9c09-4fac-a429-bf62d5b76bea</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T23:52:36Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T23:52:36Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Well now, you found the exclusion. It is best to eat as close to home as possible, but that does mean you have to eat out of the toilet.&#xD;
But it depends on how smoggy it is, normal smog ok, but like  they have in China, where you can't see the sun, that is not good. The odds are the fruit won't be any more polluted then you are at the time too, so better the most nutrition as you can.</summary>
    <dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T23:52:36Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#367ade6a-7ca1-43f0-836e-c9295afaf099" />
    <author>
      <name>Pacifica Funkster</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#367ade6a-7ca1-43f0-836e-c9295afaf099</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T22:11:24Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T22:11:24Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&gt;There are even varieties of watermelon and squash&#xD;
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I have been in parts of the world where melons and squash are potted in a container and then the vines &amp;amp; fruit are allowed to spread over the entire roof of the family house :-)</summary>
    <dc:creator>Pacifica Funkster</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T22:11:24Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#138fe75e-47f3-486b-9b9a-9dadf88d1b60" />
    <author>
      <name>yadda yadda</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#138fe75e-47f3-486b-9b9a-9dadf88d1b60</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T21:36:46Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T21:36:46Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Locally grown fruits and veggies are allowed to ripen in the field instead of being picked green so they can survive the journey.  Fruits and vegs both lose nutritional value as they sit.  So you're getting a better quality nutrition from foods that haven't had to travel so far.&#xD;
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Also, the flavor is soooo much better.  Even something like popcorn tastes totally different grown at home.&#xD;
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My last point is that when you buy local, you tend to buy from smaller farms and support your local economy.   Not all small farms are organic, but in order to compete with factory farms many small farmers have gone organic or produce specialty crops.&#xD;
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After enjoying food I've grown myself, there are some things I just can't stomach from the store.  Like salad greens.  I'll never buy a bag of smelly, slippery, tastless salad greens from a store again.  &#xD;
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For those that don't have a yard, there are many things you can grow in containers on a balcony or next to the front door.  There are even varieties of watermelon and squash that do well in containers.</summary>
    <dc:creator>yadda yadda</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T21:36:46Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#3ac38033-58f0-4936-8e26-028d8e3e3330" />
    <author>
      <name>Karen</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#3ac38033-58f0-4936-8e26-028d8e3e3330</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T21:36:39Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T21:36:39Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Well think of it this way. Those mangos from Mexico are sprayed with pesticides (per USDA) and sometimes you can taste the bug spray on them. That's not healthy. There's a cause and effect in the choices you make when you buy food. If you're only thinking how does this effect me on my health, it's not all about one person, it's about us all and the planet. I eat locally and organic when I can. I work at a farmers market so I get the best fresh foods in my area. Eating locally also supports the farmers in your area and thereby supports the local economy. When foods are transported they are sprayed, dyed to appear fresh, and doused with chemicals to survive the long transport. It is about carbon footprints, but that's not the only thing. It's all connected......... think of it that way.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T21:36:39Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#564ae0c0-93db-43c9-b2f7-a305b53588cd" />
    <author>
      <name>DuckAmuck</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#564ae0c0-93db-43c9-b2f7-a305b53588cd</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T20:42:46Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T20:42:46Z</published>
    <summary type="html">So, if I walk to the store and buy mangos from Brazil, that's less healthy for me than if I walk to the store and buy strawberries grown in the neighbor's yard?&#xD;
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THAT's the point I'm making. I'm not saying that carbon footprints don't matter. I'm saying what is the direct affect on my health? The truck is going to be delivering food here anyway… how is my health improved by me not buying it?&#xD;
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Or do you have some statistics stating that my chances of heart failure are greater if my organic fruit comes from Mexico vs. the next town over?</summary>
    <dc:creator>DuckAmuck</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T20:42:46Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#244d3c9b-14bd-4750-b99b-e1a3fe970fe8" />
    <author>
      <name>Tri</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#244d3c9b-14bd-4750-b99b-e1a3fe970fe8</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T20:19:00Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T20:19:00Z</published>
    <summary type="html">You don't think it's healthy to treat the planet you live on with respect and conscious awareness of our effects on it to ensure it's future as correlating to your personal health?  How about if we ran out of growing food nearby because we just made everything smoggy (as you repeatedly report you live in) and industrialized and shipped all of our food from far away? Does that sound healthier to you?</summary>
    <dc:creator>Tri</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T20:19:00Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#f1461a37-a184-4e74-a570-cd0151d69e6f" />
    <author>
      <name>DuckAmuck</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#f1461a37-a184-4e74-a570-cd0151d69e6f</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T20:09:07Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T20:09:07Z</published>
    <summary type="html">So, what's the correlation between carbon emissions and human health? Where's the documentation, where are the statistics. Where is it specified that my high carbon footprint damages my health?&#xD;
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Until those things are correlated directly, I don't see how low emissions can be considered "eating healthy."</summary>
    <dc:creator>DuckAmuck</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T20:09:07Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#27dae5dd-8c6f-401b-938a-a543cb2d4d0f" />
    <author>
      <name>Sweet P</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#27dae5dd-8c6f-401b-938a-a543cb2d4d0f</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T19:15:31Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T19:15:31Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I know you said you're not looking for the carbon footprint answer, but I really do think that's the key issue and driving force behind the eat (and do just about everything else) locally campaign.  Global climate change is one of the biggest challenges of our time, and empowering everyday people to take steps to reduce carbon emissions through whatever means, including reducing the demand for out of season fruits shipped from Chile or wherever, will help slow the effects of climate change.  And that will be good for everyone's health - not just humans.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Sweet P</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T19:15:31Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#19896b88-5c4c-419b-b225-492bfe0e2752" />
    <author>
      <name>Tri</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#19896b88-5c4c-419b-b225-492bfe0e2752</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T19:12:26Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T19:12:26Z</published>
    <summary type="html">i'm guessing your veggies that are grown locally are grown outside of the smog area.  just a guess.  like in seattle - our CSA gets most of it's food from over the mountains (averages 150 mile radius) for our locally grown produce.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Tri</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T19:12:26Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#795c0820-7463-455b-8889-714ea9508037" />
    <author>
      <name>FreckledGirl</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#795c0820-7463-455b-8889-714ea9508037</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T19:11:33Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T19:11:33Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I think the goal is to eat things grown within 100 miles of you - smog probably doesn't pervade the farms that close to you, as it mainly stays in the city.</summary>
    <dc:creator>FreckledGirl</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T19:11:33Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#cf532065-b9dc-49e8-bf1c-27b04236e25a" />
    <author>
      <name>DuckAmuck</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#cf532065-b9dc-49e8-bf1c-27b04236e25a</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T19:08:11Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T19:08:11Z</published>
    <summary type="html">So… really? even if you live in smog, it's better for you to eat veggies that also live in smog?  That sounds crazy… but I'm not denying it because I honestly don't know.</summary>
    <dc:creator>DuckAmuck</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T19:08:11Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#772e947f-b550-4ebd-9282-ed3762a77b7a" />
    <author>
      <name>David</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#772e947f-b550-4ebd-9282-ed3762a77b7a</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T18:24:02Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T18:24:02Z</published>
    <summary type="html">As has been stated already, fresher is better. Actually in many cases frozen is better then fresh. Many growers now flash freeze their vegetables in a short time after harvest, or least frig it until they do. Some growers actually have harvesting machines for some veggies that are processed and flash frozen in the field, it is built into the harvester, but this is the exception, not the rule.&#xD;
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Fresh live food in the store, you can never really know how long it has been in shipping and or storage.&#xD;
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I read something years ago, about foods grown locally. It said food  grown locally were conditioned for those in the area, to help them adjust to their climate, and had different level of minerals and vitamins, and a different energy, which came from the area.&#xD;
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It is best to grow and eat your own ,but that is many times not possible. I read a report one time, it said that organic naturally grown foods had many times the amount of vitamin C and other things. It also show that lots of the Vitamin C was lost within hours of picking, and in a days, little remained.  &#xD;
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I know I eat fruit from the tree, fully drop ripe, it has the best flavor and sweetness. I find I don't care for or like fruit from the store, except maybe bananas and mango's. Fruits do seem to maintain their nutrients longer then vegetables. &#xD;
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A lot of honey in the stores is processed, it is pasteurized/heated, so it kills a lot of good things.&#xD;
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Food is always more nutritious, the less time it spends picked, before you eat it. But then we kill it too, by cooking it too much some times; we get the minerals but loose some of the vitamins.&#xD;
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David</summary>
    <dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T18:24:02Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#35eb0b50-94a0-45c5-976c-e8297d7affea" />
    <author>
      <name>BFG</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#35eb0b50-94a0-45c5-976c-e8297d7affea</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T11:32:02Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T11:32:02Z</published>
    <summary type="html">eating locally is green of course, which is great for its own reasons (like what Lorenzo says)  but I think - to answer the original question - the benefit of locally grown might be that fruits and vegetables tend to retain more of their vitamins the closer they are to harvest ? So if you eat something that took less time to get for you, you're getting more benefit from it ? Just a thought. &#xD;
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The thing about local honey is dead on, I have a friend whose husband is a beekeeper in the city I live in, she keeps me in really local honey and it works wonders !</summary>
    <dc:creator>BFG</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T11:32:02Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#4d7b9c8f-4c63-451d-8eef-a5e0a85f6d70" />
    <author>
      <name>~lorenzo!</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#4d7b9c8f-4c63-451d-8eef-a5e0a85f6d70</id>
    <updated>2009-05-21T02:28:02Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-21T02:28:02Z</published>
    <summary type="html">i think there are other aspects to this as well. . .&#xD;
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1) support your local growers&#xD;
2) eat what grows native to your region, and in season&#xD;
3) be ecological, cut the use of petrochemicals for transport. .&#xD;
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some of these make sense for one reason or another, but i question number two. .</summary>
    <dc:creator>~lorenzo!</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-21T02:28:02Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#0844b4f9-13e5-4ebb-b19e-ec400279b7ea" />
    <author>
      <name>DuckAmuck</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#0844b4f9-13e5-4ebb-b19e-ec400279b7ea</id>
    <updated>2009-05-20T17:54:02Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-20T17:54:02Z</published>
    <summary type="html">So… ripe fruits and vegetables are healthier for you than slightly underripe?&#xD;
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I did not know that.</summary>
    <dc:creator>DuckAmuck</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-20T17:54:02Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Re: Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#646a55cc-1be9-4855-8ff2-320780e0401d" />
    <author>
      <name>Liselle</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#646a55cc-1be9-4855-8ff2-320780e0401d</id>
    <updated>2009-05-20T17:30:03Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-20T17:30:03Z</published>
    <summary type="html">One thought is that things coming from a far distance would have to be harvested before they are exactly ripe.  Otherwise, they'd rot before they get to you.  Locally grown, you'd also be buying when things are IN season - instead of say - wax covered apples that were plucked and stored since last fall.&#xD;
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I know honey from bees that live in your neighborhood is better because they will be gathering pollen from things blooming that make you sneeze - that really does imbue the honey with some excellent anti-allergy properties.  ie.... I don't suffer from cranberry allergies because cranberries don't grow around me.  But local wildflowers - oh, yeah.</summary>
    <dc:creator>Liselle</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-20T17:30:03Z</dc:date>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Locally grown?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#3a31e339-53ba-4c3c-aab6-1c2c172c8fac" />
    <author>
      <name>DuckAmuck</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://healthylazy.tribe.net/thread/9a797ad5-4a09-4188-ab4b-59b949d23541#3a31e339-53ba-4c3c-aab6-1c2c172c8fac</id>
    <updated>2009-05-20T17:12:09Z</updated>
    <published>2009-05-20T17:12:09Z</published>
    <summary type="html">I have to ask, and I'm sorry if I sound dumb or uninformed, but I keep hearing this so much and I really want to know what the big deal is.&#xD;
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"To improve your health, eat 4-5 servings of organic, locally grown fruits and vegetables every day."&#xD;
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How does "locally grown" improve my health at all? Is it somehow better for me if my food breathes the same air I breathe? Is corn from up the road somehow more healthy for me than corn from the next town?&#xD;
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And I'm not looking for "carbon footprint" answers… what's the direct correlation between carbon footprint and health? I've never seen an actual ratio from a reliable source.&#xD;
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I understand the organic vs. pesticide argument. I get that part. I just don't get the "locally grown" deal and how that specifically approves or affects my health. Especially if I live in a smoggy area… wouldn't I rather have vegetables from a place with cleaner air?</summary>
    <dc:creator>DuckAmuck</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-05-20T17:12:09Z</dc:date>
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